Barbie Conventions, 3D-Printed Miniatures and Furniture

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0:00Hello dolls and accessories. I'm your host, Kelly, and this is Barbie Talk. [music] Barbie Talk with Kelly in Pink. Today's guests are the creative duo behind Flip and Debbie Create on Instagram, where miniatures, vintage style, and Barbie imagination all come together in the most incredible way. From custom 16 scale furniture and accessories to detailed room setups and photography, they've built a world where every Barbie scene feels alive. Let's bring in this talented husband and wife team to talk all about it. Please welcome Flip and Debbie. Hi guys, welcome to Barbie Talk. Hi Kelly. It's so great to see you and talk to you for real. Yes. It's so nice to meet. I'm glad we were able to make this work. We've got a lot of stuff to cover. You guys are super busy preparing for convention. So we got to get started here because there's no time, right? Absolutely. So, tell everybody a little bit about yourself, where you're from, and how your relationship with Barbie started. I've always loved Barbie. I loved Barbie my whole childhood. And then when I turned 17, I was like, "Okay, I'm too old for this. I didn't realize there was this whole Barbie community out there." So, I gave my dolls away. And then I met Flip and he collected his old toys from when he

1:22was a kid. And I was like, "That's so cool." And then we used to go to Toys R Us together. He would go look at like Transformers and all the boy toys and I would go look at the Barbies and then finally he was like, "Why don't you just buy one?" And I was like, "I don't know. Like that. Would that be weird?" And he was like, "No." And so then he bought me my first collectible Barbie, which was Barbie as Snow White. Yeah. It was really cute. I no longer have her because my taste has completely changed, but you know how that goes. It changes over time, but isn't that so sweet to find a partner who supports Yeah, we support each other's crazy. So, you know. Yeah. But that's awesome. That's awesome. Whenever he's like, "Okay, Barbie. Barbie, like that's enough." I'm like, "You started it. You're the problem, Flip. You're the problem. She is over." [laughter] That's okay. If it brings you joy, that's all that matters. Right. Right. So, where you guys from? Where do you reside? Oh, we live in Maine. We live in Sako, which is like southern Maine. So, Flip, what did you collect? Transformers. What else? I mean, I collected comic books, but as well of the Transformers as well. I like a lot of the vintage Transformers. I love that license since I was a kid. Yeah. I I always just kept them around because I just love them.

2:31And I bought stuff, you know, up through the '9s and stuff. And then Yeah. And then when I met her, you know, I just kind of encouraged her to, you know, just get in touch with her inner child, even though it never left. Really, I'd say. It's a great way of saying it. Your inner child. Yeah, I like that. So, tell everybody a little bit then. How did this creating like you guys have an Instagram flip and Debbie creates? How did that come to be? How did you guys start creating things for Barbie? It was actually the Orlando convention that he decided to go with me. It was his second or third convention, I'm not sure. Um, actually my friend Kathy was like, "You guys got a 3D printer. Can you make these Mickey Mouse ears?" So, we were like, "Oh, that would be so cool." And people would I think it would be like a cool gift that people could buy for each other.

3:16And so that's where it started. That was the first thing we actually made. And then from there, we just kind of like we took these to convention. They did really well. And we were like, "Wow, this is kind of cool. We can actually help offset the cost of convention, right?" So, um, and then we started making our vases, which are really popular. They sell all the time. Like, I would think everybody has one by now, but [laughter] they still sell. So, these are um some of the little mid-century mod vases that we make. Um, they come in different colors, but this is the orange one and that little yellow one. I like vintage mostly. Like it took me a while to get to vintage, but now I'm like obsessed with vintage and I like making diaramas. So that's why we started doing the little vases and it was something small we could take cuz we had to fly to convention. So that's what we originally started doing was just small little things to sell. Yeah, that makes sense. like the packing small because of of convention, which we will talk convention in a little bit cuz I've got lots of questions to ask you guys about convention. Um, but do you have a first doll there that you ever got that you could share? Um, well, it's not really my Well, actually, I mean, I got this doll when I was a kid and I loved her. And this is um, Pink and Pretty Barbie. I know you probably have her because you also love the 80s.

4:37[laughter] I mean, this isn't my original doll because she's long gone, but I played with this doll so much. And I love the fact that you could like mix and mix and match. It was like the best. Yeah. Isn't that so awesome when they're like versatile that way, right? Like you have different things with them. Yeah. I don't think a lot of us have our original dolls. If we do, to me, that's like a blessing because they're long gone. You've moved or like you said, you're like, you know, I'm too old for this and you kind of move on. But isn't it nice as an adult, we make adult money and we can start buying our childhood toys. Exactly. [laughter] It's true. Do you want to see my first doll? Yes. Oh, yes, Flip. I'm sorry. How rude of me. It's not a Transformer. I know I collect Transformers and stuff, but this is a one-of-a-kind doll that I made cuz I filmed a little video for our anniversary. And this is my clown doll, which um I I don't want to derail the interview, but I was a professional birthday party clown for over 20 years. So, this is this is the Flip the Clown doll, which I used in the video. And um yeah, he's been around the house. Mike Dawson came to visit and he saw him and he just took like a zillion pictures of him. It was just [laughter] ridiculous. But yeah, that's my first doll. He's been just sitting on a shelf for years now. So, [snorts] wow. At first, I thought, is that Ronald McDonald? So, is that how

5:58you used [laughter] Is that how you used to dress? Is this where the flip name came from? Yes. Ah, the mystery people. The mystery has been solved. [laughter] Well, that's awesome. And the fact that you made that is fantastic. What's it like running a business as, you know, like a a husband wife duo team? Tell everyone a little bit about that. So, we actually worked together for quite a few years at a restaurant before we started our real careers. So, we're kind of used to working together and we like we feed off each other a lot. Like, I come up with the ideas usually like, "Oh my god, I want to make this." And then he'll be like, "Okay." Okay. And then he'll program it and kind of like figure out the design. Then he'll print it and I'll be like, "Well, can you make this a little bit different here and a little bit different there, add this, and then, you know, we do a lot of prototypes till I'm happy with the product and then we start producing it." Yeah, we're both really creative people. She draws and paints and stuff like that and I pour my creative energies into other projects and stuff, but we do collaborate really well together. And like she said, I'm the more technical side. She's more good taste. I'm also color blind, so I don't trust anything as far as that goes, as far as the palettes and everything. I'm always double-checking things with her. Well, isn't that such a great duo? And this is the thing, like I can tell, this is not a podcast on marriage and relationships, but you guys, I could see

7:18you guys genuinely like each other, and that's really important [laughter] because if you don't, that sort of collaboration just doesn't work out. and we're gonna see more of your work here in a little bit and you can see how that collaboration just comes out in your work which is awesome. I started following you guys because I saw that you went live with Beth Barbie and Buddy. She was showcasing this beautiful vintage almost like a replica. I thought it was the real like fashion boutique, the vintage fashion boutique and I thought, "Wow, where'd she get her hands on that?" And as the live went on, it was not. It was actually a replica that you guys made. She took us through all of the details, the the chairs, all of it. All the little little details that all the little accessories. Walk us through and maybe show us those pieces as you're talking about it.

8:05How did you guys make that? What was the process? How long did it take? Take us tell us a little bit about that. We were having the um New England Doll Club meeting here at my house uh we were hosting and I came up with a theme of shopping. Um so we usually come up with a theme and everybody brings their dolls dressed for whatever the theme is. And so mine was shopping and I was like I have the vintage shop and I was like it's not big enough. It didn't like take up enough space to take up you know for everybody's dolls to go in. So I was like oh can we 3D print another shelf unit which is Can you see the vintage shop over there? Yeah I can see it. So there was like a shelving unit there that has the purses and everything on it. Um so that's what we started with was the shelf unit which is right here's the new one. So, I just wanted that to make my shop a little bit bigger. So, then Mike saw it and he was like, "Oh my god, that's amazing." And we were just sitting here talking and playing and he was like, "What if you did the whole shop?" And I was like, "Oh my god, it's genius. Like, it would be so cool if we did the whole shop." So, it kind of just snowballed from there. Yeah. And then we made it on a whim and everybody was freaking out about [laughter] it. So, wasn't really on a whim. It to is months of design like figuring things out and printing prototypes and getting things just right. Like cuz like we did these chairs which

9:26we're quite proud of actually. Like this is kind of a riff on the original chair which right there. Oh, it's nice. This is the original chair from the 60s. It's made out of cardboard. And so they're kind of janky. They don't sit quite right. But this is the one that we 3D printed and uh designed and put all together. And we had to sort like the right colors and get the gold filament that looks just right. And yeah. So my favorite piece in the shop is the um because my vintage one it falls over. Like you put all the stuff in there and then it just like tips forward and then all the the stuff that you have on display falls over and you're like oh no. [laughter] Um, so this one is like got plexiglass on it, so it really holds up. It's solid. It's not going to move on you.

10:15It's not going to tip over. So that's my favorite piece so far. I'm trying to keep my jaw like like I literally have to like pick it up off the floor. Okay, so obviously the process from like design and making prototypes once you guys got it locked down. How long does it take to print one of the cabinets or the display case? Like how long does it take to print one piece? The fashion shop takes a long time. It takes about 4 days to print every single piece and then we have to like glue things together, cut the plexiglass. There's a lot of work involved. So, I would say total time to print the fashion shops about 5 days. That's crazy. And I know that you're actually going to have a few at convention, which again, I'm going to pause on convention, but I'd like to throw little teasers that we're going to talk convention because those pieces will be at convention. Um, I also had the chance to interview Mr. Mike Dawson. So he showed us a couple pieces that you also made for him like the bar cart. Is there any other pieces there that you could show us? Yeah. So we have the bar cart here. This is the the hidden bar we call it. So the hidden bar. It's like mid-century mod. Like Deb had sent me a bunch of pictures of stuff. She's always sending me pictures of stuff like, "Oh, you need to make this. Oh, you need to make this." And [snorts] so I had to figure out the sliding door technology here. So it opens up and then you've got a bookshelf. Oh, that's nice and classy. But wait a second. You turn it around and you've got a little bar in here. And there's

11:38mirrors that are go going to go in the back here actually. So, this is not completely complete, but we got little we had to source a bunch of like little liquor bottles to go in there and a bunch of little glasses and stuff. And those will slide in right at the top there. Oh, yeah. I love that. This reminds me of a piece that I would see like at my aunt's house. Yeah. even even in the late '8s cuz she still had her furniture from the 70s. Like why would she get rid of this piece? I absolutely love that. How long does it take to make something like that? This one, one of these, it takes about half a day to to print. But there's also assembly and and and making sure everything's right and uh Yeah, cuz it prints in separate pieces and then you have to kind of put it together, glue it, especially the rotating part, right? like the rotating. Wow, that's awesome.

12:30We spent a long time like trying to source like cuz we were going to put some glasses and and bottles in there. It's amazing how much of a challenge it can be to track down something that looks just right. These are actually Gloria liquor bottles, which is kind of like a Barbie knockoff, but they work. So awesome. I actually have little I got them like off AliExpress, like a bunch of like alcohol bottles and whatnot. Yeah, we we've tried that, too. [snorts] Is there something like a unique piece that you have there or something you're currently working on that you could share? At convention, I'm going to be teaching a workshop on our go together chairs, which is kind of um similar to the original vintage ones, but this is what it looks like. It comes apart. And these are actually 3D printed as well. And then you just upholster it with like glue. And so I'm going to do teaching a class. I have like I don't know how many different designs of fabric. So, people will be able to come in, grab the fabric that they want. There'll be some pre-made pillows that people will have to stuff. And then there's three different colors that the chair comes in.

13:34It's white, black, and brown. So, they'll get to choose whichever chair color they want and kind of customize their own chair. Wow, that's unbelievable. So, you guys have an Etsy shop, is that correct? Yeah, it's just Flip and Debbie Create on Etsy. Awesome. All one word. Awesome. Awesome. Well, I'm going to be shopping there very soon. I [laughter] was just I was just on Mike Dawson's shop and made a purchase. So, on your Yeah. How do you guys decide what you're going to make next? Where does it come from? [laughter] It usually comes from things that I want. Yeah. The ideas never stop. We get inspiration from like older toys and stuff like that, but also just inspiration from looking at mid-century mod furniture online and things like that. Um, like this table here, this actually is a prototype. We call this the tri table plant stand. Technically, this is a prototype. So, it's stuck together, but we're going to make it so it comes apart. So, you can pop off the top, pop off the middle, and you can switch up shapes and colors and things like that. So, we've been So, people will be able to come into our room and decide like what color top they want, what color middle, what kind color bottom. And there's different shapes, too. So, they can do triangular, oval, whatever they want. Yeah. So, yeah, it's going to be a crazy place in our room. Five, five different shapes, six different colors, cuz you know, Barbie loves options. So, of course, because today she might want this color and tomorrow she's changing her mind and she's refernishing her whole dream house, right? The fact that you guys allow people to

14:58customize. It's not just like, "Here it is. We've made this. It's three shelves. It's orange, brown, and white." It's like, "Oh, which colors do you want?" That's fantastic. You know what I did see on your Etsy shop that I'm interested in is the luggage that you guys make. Oh, yeah. We have some of that. Yeah. They're in the packages, so I don't know how well you'd be able to see them, but they're all packaged up for convention. So, I'll take one out and just kind of show it, but they're three pieces. There's a hat box that looks like this, and it has a little strap so Barbie can put it over her shoulder. And then there is the purse piece that she can put on her other shoulder. Goodness, I love. And then there's the actual suitcase. which looks like this. And we have like a bunch of different designs. And actually, Mike Dawson designed some specific paper for them, which I have a couple of his designs that I haven't released yet because I'm saving it for convention, but he did a color magic version. So, it looks like the vintage fabric. This one's my favorite. It kind of like looks like candy, but it also has Barbie on it. And then it has like the black and white stripe kind of throwback to vintage. I love it. I know. I love it. And this one's my favorite. It's got cat heads on it. That's cute. I like the

16:23cats. That's the theme of this convention is travel. So I was like, "Oh, we got to make luggage sets." Very smart. Yeah. Well, I mean, again, if you guys can fit me in your luggage, I'll just squeeze in there. It'll be fine. You can squish in with the suitcases and stuff like that. Actually, we're driving anyway, so you can totally fit You guys are driving. Oh, this is I remember the story. Are you on the way? Yeah, you just make just cross. No, you're fine. You can cross the border. Come all the way to Toronto and we'll make our way back. I spoke to Beth last year. She made quite the purchase. A dream home of some sort. And she talked about like, can I put this in your car? And you guys were like, "Of course." And you guys drove it back whenever you came back. And so that's very, very sweet. Yeah. [clears throat] I think we had more best stuff than we had our own stuff at that point. [laughter] Yes, it's really full. And how long does it take to print the little miniatures like some purses in a luggage? The luggage doesn't actually take long to print, but I have to cut out the paper and glue that on and then put all the little pieces like the handles are separate, so you have to glue those on and put it all together. So yeah, I was like a couple months ago pretty much every weekend I was making them and I have about 175 made now. Yeah, we live in a factory pretty much. Yeah, pretty much. [laughter] I can imagine. I can imagine like where how you guys store everything like where do you keep all your supplies in boxes all throughout our whole house? [laughter] I can imagine. I can imagine. Do you have a doll? Doesn't have to be a

17:45doll. It could be something Barbie related that has a memorable story behind it. I can show you a doll that I have that has a memorable story. I would love to see more of your dolls flip. I attend Barbie convention with her. And the first time I went, I was just kind of there to carry heavy things and do stuff. But, you know, I'm a creative and I love communities that are creative and Barbie convention is just that on steroids. [clears throat] So, I ended up having a blast actually. It was really cool. Like it like went to different lectures about stuff and just met really interesting people. Um, but everybody had a travel doll. So, I said, you know, I need a travel doll of my own. And I made one. I took a Ken and I cut his hair off and stuff to give him a cool hairstyle. And, um, he looked terrible. He was just cuz you could see the plugs. Yeah. I named him Luke, but um Luke is no longer I don't know where Luke went. He's gone. But anyway, I made a Victoria and Stanley. So, yes, I had my uh my personal personal manager set me up with a doll to uh This is Stanley. So, Stanley is quite popular on your Instagram page. One of my questions was actually going to be who's Stanley and Victoria. Yeah. So Stanley became my travel doll and he, you know, like I I'd hang him on my lanyard as I'm walking around and people would just laugh at him constantly. Poor Stanley. But yeah, he's a reproduction Ken that has a flocked hair and then

19:06I just took sandpaper to his hair to uh give him a proper headline or a hairline. But yeah, Stanley's pretty much the only doll that I own. I mean, I have the flip doll, but I uh Stanley's the one that I the gets the most mileage, I guess you could say. Wow. And of course, and then my travel doll is Victoria. I named her because I love the name Victoria and I don't like my own name. So, I was like, "Well, I'm going to give her a cool name." [laughter] So, I just I think she looks like a Debbie. That's funny. [laughter] Well, that's good, I guess. I don't know. But yeah, we call her Victoria. She's sweet. Do people bring their minis? I guess people do bring their minis to usually. I encourage my table to bring their minis to every table event dressed for the event cuz like the first night is camping, the second night is road trip and then the third event is yacht club. So you could bring your doll dressed as like a nautical theme and then the last night is um first class. So you could bring your doll dress as a stewardist or something like that. And I really encourage that because it's so fun to see everybody else's dolls and what they dress them in. And we're all playing Barbies at the table, which is wonderful. It sounds so much fun. H It is so much fun. Uh I'm still hoping I'm gonna get some sort of like somebody cancelled cuz I'm on

20:26the wait list. I'm still like on the wait list. I've been on the wait list for years. You will get in eventually. I swear. [laughter] Cuz I've not I've skipped conventions here and there and still got back in. So it is I've heard once you skip it's kind of hard to get back in. So do you guys see a lot of couples there? There's some husband and wives like a lot of husbands will go like my one of the girls at my table her husband goes but she he doesn't actually attend the convention he'll be there you know we'll go out to dinner or whatever with them but he kind of goes golfing and does his own thing um but there are some couples that go together like there's another 3D printing couple that goes every year um and we like hanging out we talk to them a little bit like we're not like great friends or anything but um [laughter] him and Flip will talk about 3D printing and I'll get all geeked out about that. When we start working on stuff, I think it's kind of interesting cuz like when we start working on stuff like we'll show them to friends and stuff like that and we'll take them to our club meetings and just kind of like tell people to pick things apart like what don't you like, what do you like, stuff like that. And when we were first working on the um the fashion shop, like I sent one, Mike Dawson was the first one to get one and he played around with it and he took like he made some really interesting observations like the mannequins. It's

21:46kind of hard shiny, but anyway. But they had like a little ridge on here that I was could I put on here to like for so they could uh look like a like had a metal base to it. And Mike Dawson's like, "You need to take that off." Like some of the clothes wouldn't fit because the ridge would show through and like a sheath dress and you could see the ridge in there. So he's like, "You need to take that off. Make it smooth." Also, he had this great idea was we have this mirror. It has blue on it. Has like a protective film on it. He said, "You know what? It'd be cool if you took the pattern from the chair and you put it on the back and make it into a dressing screen, like a double duty type thing." And that was totally his idea. And that's the thing, we love hearing ideas because we get ideas from people and it's just, you know, it's a creative exchange and stuff and that was fantastic. And I mean to get some creative feedback from someone like Mike Dawson who's a creative ruin. He's got a great eye for stuff. Oh [snorts] my goodness. Definitely.

22:45Definitely. We have this gossip bench that we made and we'll have some of these at convention, too. They came out last summer or last fall, I think. We haven't actually taken them to convention yet to sell, but um Barbie can sit on the the you know the chair. She can talk on the phone. It comes with like a little um kind of vintage phone book and a little pillow that has phones on it. Um I think I may update some with actual fabric before we go to convention cuz right now it's a plastic. Um it's a three bench. Yeah. Like which looks like a cushion, but I might actually put on like I do with the chairs and put some fabric on some of them. Yeah. My goodness. So, this is called a gossip bench. Yes. It's basically a dedicated piece of furniture to put your telephone on. So, you could sit there and gossip. Um even though And the drawer opens, too. So, you I was just I was just going to say, "Please tell me that drawer opens." Of course, [laughter] the drawer opens.

23:46Of course, it does. Of course, it's a piece of furniture. That would make no sense today, but you know, it's, you know, it's the whole mid-century mod scene. [snorts] How many pieces do you guys have that you keep for your collection? Do you keep any? And I'm assuming you do. Like, how many do you have? And then how many Barbies do you guys have? I have probably 350 Barbies. Right around there last time I counted. [laughter] I don't know. Might be up to 400 by now. Um, after convention it could be 450, but you know. Yeah. I keep all of the 3D stuff that we printed pretty much because I play with them like last year at convention we were selling. So, have you ever seen the reading kitchen? The colorful one. The colorful one. Yes. Yes. I've always wanted I don't like that it's all just one straight line, right? It's kind of like nobody's kitchen really looks like that. So, we designed I was like I want a corner shelf for my um kitchen so it makes it like an L shape instead of just straight across. So, we designed that last year and then I was like, well, what if we added another shelf? Um, so this goes at the end of your kitchen and then you can put more things on here. The colors kind of coordinate. They're not exact, but they coordinate with the kitchen and it just it gives you more room to put like minis on, you know. Um, so we made these last year was really popular. Um, that was our big thing last year.

25:11I don't know. We every year we seem to like want to make something new. Well, of course. I mean, I can totally understand that, especially when you see like the product and how it's coming out, like you see this beautiful like the fashionique behind you, you're like, "Well, what else can we do? How can we elevate even more?" And that again, that just goes to show the passion that you guys have for what you do and for the hobby itself, right? So, okay, you know what? I think it's time. I'd love to ask you questions about convention. As someone who's never been and who wants to go, I heard on Beth's live you have been to convention 17 times. I think this year will be 17. Okay. So, I've been 16. That's a lot. Yeah. Two of them were online conventions because they the pandemic they didn't have them in person. So, for physical conventions, I guess I've been to 14. I started in 2005. They had it in Boston and I met a a friend of mine at a doll show and I was like, "Hey, there's this convention going on. I really would like someone to go with." And we just hit it off.

26:13We went together. It was unbelievable. Like the first convention, you're just like, you're instantly friends with 800 other people. Like just like that. And you're all passionate about the same thing. The sales room opened and I thought we were going to hyperventilate because we were just like wallto-wall Barbies. Like there's everything you can think of. Like oh my god, it's amazing. [laughter] It's so cool. And so flip when did you when did when did you start have you been 17 times as well or No no no no I've been like she said four or five times. Um I think four. Yeah. But as our um 3D printing business it's become like I go there and I just run at the store basically while she runs out and spends socializes and does and experiences the whole thing. But yeah, it's fun just because we try to set up diioamas in our room and so people can bring their travel dolls in and take pictures and it's just nice to to see people and uh just chat with them. So I have just as much fun. We're just running the store. So yeah, I'm just getting watery eyed just thinking about what you said there. Like walking into a room and you're instantly friends with 800 people. That's exactly what it is. walking into a sales room and you're just like, you know, like probably hyper like heart palpitation, sweating, like [laughter] all of the all of the symptoms. That's what I love cuz like they have

27:36the sales room like they do room sales which is fantastic. And then they'll close that down when the convention officially starts. Then they'll have a sales room which they basically just take over a ballroom and that you set up. It's like any other doll show kind of. But on Saturday, I think it is, they open it up to the public so the general public can come in. And I love that day because people are just, you get these little girls coming in. They're just wideeyed and they had no idea that something like this existed. You know, one year that me and my friend Kathy went, there were like these two little girls that were walking around and they were like asking their mom for everything. Of course, right? They're like, "Mom, can I buy that? Mom, can I buy that? Mom, can I buy that?" And like me and my friend Kathy went and got them dolls and a couple of outfits. And they were like flabbergasted. They were so excited. And Kathy and I were both like, "We just made more Barbie fans." [laughter] It was a minute. There's a day that's open to the public.

28:31Yeah. Yeah. On Saturday, I think you have to pay like eight bucks or something to get through the door. They charge something at the door. But yeah, you can go in and, you know, see the doll show or the doll room. Yeah. I was going to say Texas, right? Yeah. Austin, it's only 40 hours. I think it's just an airline flight. It's fine [laughter] to totally worth it. And you know what it is? There's so many people in the doll community that I would love to meet in person. Oh my gosh. Including yourself, right? Like all the people that are going to convention that I would just love to I'm sure just you walking around the sales room, people would recognize you and be like, "Oh my god, it's Kelly." No, they would. No. [laughter] Sweet. You're so sweet, guys. A So you guys have been a vendor then the last few years. Yeah, we started when we went to Orlando, which was Orlando was 2003. So, we started selling small things in 2003 at the Orlando convention.

29:25Then we went to Palm Springs. That was the best themed convention that I've ever gone to cuz it was mid-century mod and it was like a mystery date. So, there was like who did the murder in the living room or the dining room and we got so much furniture from that like cardboard furniture um and and backdrops. It was amazing. It's a clue clue. Yeah. Yeah, it was like clue. So, every night like you had to go around the convention and kind of like look for clues and um you know it could be a doll on a display and it [clears throat] had like Kelsey and then it would say this is a clue on the actual doll. So, you knew that was a clue. So, is it like MIJ with the hammer in the ballroom? Yes. Yes. And so we um was it stole the stole the blueprints to the Barbie Dreamhouse or something? Yes. Yeah. That was the what the crime was. It wasn't like a murder, but my table like a lot of the people weren't really excited about it. A couple of us were. I loved it.

30:25I cuz we also are board gamers. We're huge board gamers. Um, so I was like, "This is so cool." And I like got all the clues together. I was missing two clues. One of the other tablemates near me knew what the last clue was. And so she gave it to me. Then I gave it to everybody at my table cuz only one person at the table was going to win this mystery doll. So, I wanted everybody to have a shot at the doll, even if they didn't gather the clues themselves, right? I mean, I'm the hostess. I want everybody to have the best time that they can. One of the girls at my table named Deb, um, she won the doll and she was like, "This is not right." She's like, "I can't take this doll because I didn't do any of this work. It was all you." So, she gave me the doll. And this is her.

31:13So, she has a little casserole dish that she brought that she brings with her. She's got the copy of the blueprints that she stole. Oh, and there's only like I think 80 of these, maybe a hundred made, so it's pretty pretty unique. You got to show the back of the box, too. This is They also had like all these characters with clue cards like type um that I see the suspect card, Celeste. Yeah. And I love the description they gave of her was like she brings recipes to the company lunchon, but it's not her own recipe. She's [laughter] passing them off as her own. Like she's totally a villain. She's one of those. I love this outfit she's wearing. What's on the top of the box there, Flip? There's like some cards like right in the top. Um, yeah. Some more of the clue cards that you can see there. I think I got it upside down. I want to dump her out of the box. Yeah. I don't want her falling out. Yeah. Suspect Celeste. What does that say? Furnishing casserole. And then there's the I think those were the three clues you had to put together. So that they had like during the all the events they would give another clue and they'd have all these and there was like a giant checklist. So whatever was left over was the actual clue. So you were checking off all the other ones that you saw and the artwork was great. They had these fantastic standies that they had on the stage of all the characters and stuff. So yeah, it was really well done. Yeah, it is very

32:35well done. That's exactly what I was going to say. And your table host again this year? Yes. So, hold on. You're a table host. You're a customer. You're a vendor and a workshop [laughter] teacher and a workshop this year. So, how do you balance this? I know Flip's there to support, but how do you handle balancing all of these balls in the air? I started in January and I was like, okay, I want what do I absolutely have to get done first? And I was like, I want to get my table dolls done. So, I got my friends together. We had a sewing day. We made all the outfits for the dolls for the last night. And then from there I was like, "Okay, now I got to put the workshop together." So I worked on that. Then I started doing stuff for the business. I still have one outfit to make that I'm giving away. Um, which I'm currently working on. [laughter] Uh, so yeah, it's just like, you know, you put what you can do each month and just kind of work on it until the last day and then you're ready. It's funny because a lot of people think like, why do you put that much work into it? But to me, it's not work. It's fun. And I love giving stuff and I just love seeing people's faces and how excited they get and I like planning and I like thinking about that stuff. Like that makes the the convention last the whole year for me if I'm like thinking about what am I going to make? I don't know. It's fun. It's satisfying to you. I could see you kind of enjoy it, you know, and that's [laughter] it. Does doesn't feel like work. How many table hosts are there? There's one for each table and there's I think this year's 800 and I can't remember how many guests, but there's

34:00like between 800 and 900 guests. So, there's 10 people at your table. Got it. And so, there's one host for every table. Like Beth is going to be a table host again this year, too. And you have to put your name in to get picked for host. So, it's random. But I've pretty much gotten in except for last year. I didn't get chose, but he did because we put both of our names in. So, he was the table host last year. I was just a puppet table host. I was I was a purely a puppet. She she p she was pulling the strings and and putting everything together. So [clears throat] see the table host gets into the convention event before anybody else because they have to like organize the table, put the gifts out. You know, sometimes Mattel has things or the convention has things that you have to go up and get at the counter and then bring it back to your table for everybody. So you're kind of um doing that is like your job kind of. Yeah. and you know making sure people have a good time. Of course. So, what are the responsibilities of a table host? You've named there a few. Does everybody get a gift? I'm assuming everybody got a free transformer from Flip last year or the time. [laughter] Yes, they totally should have. Could you imagine? Could you imagine a guest being like, "What the heck is this?" I get [laughter] I I would get chased out probably, but it would be it would be funny. You're like kidding. There's another box. [laughter] Um, last year we made a boutique that we um set up at the end of the convention the last night and then

35:23there was a doll sitting in a chair and she had all these little shopping bags and so this was the um the canopy with the canopy. Wow. I'm sorry guys. I'm making you guys break stuff. No, it's all right. [laughter] It's all right. There we go. Oh, I love how I can see you. I love how we can see you. Oh, no. We'll we'll edit that out. That's fine. I love how we can see you through the window. I love how we can see you through the window. That's awesome. There was um we had a mannequin behind it with an outfit on that everybody got the whole setup. Like the people on my table were so excited they were crying and that just made my convention. I was like, it's just so fun to see other people like really excited about Barbie and what I'm giving them. So, so as a table host, you're responsible for giving your attention. I mean, there are gifts there.

36:09There are tables that don't give gifts like they're a non- giftgiving table. It just kind of started like, you know, it just started to become this thing like people were giving gifts to each other all night on every night or like one maybe one person just gives one big gift for like maybe Wednesday night and then it just kind of snowballed from there and now like there's either gift giving tables or non-giving tables. I would probably never sit at a non-giving table because it would kill me not to be able to give anything. But it's just fun. Like there's themes so you can come up with different ideas and then you get more stuff too. You know what I mean? Cuz you're like and you don't know what other people are going to give you. It's always just whatever they feel like generous about giving, you know? Yeah. And the table host is really they're volunteers basically to keep, you know, the train on the tracks because Barbie people love to talk and chitchat and stuff. So they're they're kind of there to make sure things run smoothly.

37:00like when everybody's supposed to be sitting down at the beginning of the show or whatever, you know, it's up to the table host to be like crack of the web basically [laughter] in a very nice way. Usually convention there is a convention doll that is given. Do you guys have a favorite or any doll there? I do have a favorite. I actually grabbed her down. [laughter] So, this was um Kansas City convention. I think it's my second favorite theme and it was called On the Runway or Barbie on the runway. And it kind of had a lot of vintage vibes because there was You ever seen the movie Funny Face with um Tiffany, the girl that Oh, Audrey Heburn. Yeah. Audrey Hepern. Oh my god. Remember her name. Oh yeah. So yeah, she was in this movie called Funny Face. And they kind of did a lot of that movie like was kind of the inspiration I think for the convention, but it was also about runway. And so this is the doll that we got, which is a super famous scene of um Audrey Heppern coming down the stairs and like throwing her shawl up in the air and they're like capturing her picture and stuff. Um so yeah, I love her. I think she's just so cool. And like the um this art, the graphics here are from that movie too. Like the box kind of had that design on it, the movie itself. Yeah. She's like one of my favorites. How do you fit this all in your

38:24luggage? Plus like do you guys bring clothes? Do you guys just say screw the clothes, we don't need them. [laughter] Yeah. Like I usually bring an extra suitcase, an empty one so I can bring things back. I've actually shipped home my dirty clothes before cuz I didn't want my Barbies out in the I mean, you think about it, you you guys are bringing a lot of stuff to hopefully they're not coming have more room. Yeah, that's true. Um, so this is the table gift that I made, which I, you know, the convention book had the polka dot, so I knew that was like going to be part of the theme. And then, um, I bought all of the sweet retreats that were, you know, on sale at the time. Uh, and then I made these little purses that look like I don't know, it was just a whole outfit. But yeah, this is the doll I gave away. Um, and everybody at my table got one. She's so sweet. I love it. And she even has a little tag, like the convention tag. It says visitors. How sweet is that? Oh, this is really cute. I don't think we showed you this. I keep talking about Mike Dawson, but we're really great friends. So, um, so he is helping us design a new business card because he's a graphic designer, so why not ask him, right? And so we were like, we want to put our dolls on the Victorian Stanley on the business card, but we want to kind of tie it in somehow to the

39:483D printing. So Flip was like, let's make little tiny miniature fashion shops that our dolls are kind of holding, like it came off the 3D printer and it's, you know, ready to go. So um yeah, I just kind of printed this one on a whim and I showed it to her when she got home from work. What do you think of this? Oh my god, we need to make these. This is a little tiny counter. She's like, "That's fantastic. Can I have 100 of those, please?" [laughter] So, and then there's a little tiny mirror and a dressing screen and the the uh chairs. Oh my goodness, those chairs are tiny, right? So, they're big enough. So, it's like Barbie has play with their own fashion shop. Boom.

40:40Yeah. [laughter] My bra my mind just my brain just exploded. That's crazy. Are these going to be a convention as well for sale? Yes. Wow, guys. There's so much stuff that you guys are going to sell. It's fantastic. It's a constant cycle. Like I use like an AI assistant to help me schedule everything cuz I'm like these are all the things that we can print. This is how long it takes. This is when I sleep. You know, let's figure out the optimal way of doing this. And I mean, you're not really sleeping right now. I mean, you can you can sleep while the printer's printing and then you got to get back to it. That's Well, but we set the alarm every night at like 1:00 a.m. 2 a.m. to get up and switch the printers over so we're not losing like 3 or 4 hours at night. Exactly. You guys have a newborn [laughter] basically. And that's what I told the AI. I was like, pretend I have a cranky newborn in the house and sleep's an option. So, oh my goodness. We do have one more thing here actually which is kind of cool. Keep it coming. Keep it coming. This is one of a kind cuz this is a prototype. Um [clears throat] like we haven't made any of these yet. Yes. Because this is something Deb has really really wanted and we've toyed around with the design man for almost a year I'd say. But I finally got it in a good place. But this is a uh like a makeup desk that we're working on. And the little drawers open up and everything and the mirror is real. It's

42:02a mirror that I bought. I can see myself in it. Yeah, you can see you [laughter] can see the doll shelves and the lighting back there. But anyway, but yeah, this is something what we were working on for a while actually. We finally got it right. Do those lights light up? No, they don't. Okay, that's okay. That would be way cool. That's another level. And that's and actually that's kind of that's kind of a cool thing to mention. Like with each of these projects, we're always learning like new tricks and new things and new techniques and stuff like that. So we feel like we're upping our game all the time. So, it's a lot of fun and that's really cool, but we just don't have the time to produce them in mass before. We might maybe have time to do like five or six to bring with to convention. Yeah. But that's not a problem. But it's pretty unique, too. So, I don't think everybody's going to want one, obviously. Yeah, exactly. What's your favorite part of convention? And maybe it's hard to answer that. Oh my gosh. The people. My friends getting There's some people that I only see once a year at convention. You get to see them. You get to play Barbies with them. you see somebody in line, you've never met them before and you're instantly like talking to them like, "Oh my god, I love that t-shirt." And then you're like from there it goes like crazy, you know? You're like, "What do you collect? What do you collect?" And then you just start a whole conversation and every person you meet is like that. It's amazing. Some of my other thing favorite things about convention is I like the competition room. There's vintage competition where you can bring like mint and box things or like Mattel produced things, rarities,

43:26and people will bring their own dolls. There's a security guard that babysits the room because of all the value that could potentially be there. But then there's also creative competition. So you can do like a diarama competition. You could do a one-of-a-kind outfit like to a certain theme. Um like I think this year I wanted to do competition but I ran out of time. The one that I wanted to enter was um Barbie gets her luggage and it's a mini uh diarama so it's only 1 foot by 1 ft. Usually they're 2 feet by 2 feet. And I just had this vision of like the carousel and like Barbie's there getting her luggage and Ken's across the way getting his luggage, but a suitcase flies open and he's got polka dot underwear in there. [laughter] Um, so that was what I wanted to do, but I ran out of time, so I didn't enter competition this year. This is the first time in a long time I haven't been able to enter convention. I mean, competition. Yeah. You know what? You've got a lot going on. So, you know, that's okay. But, you know, if they ever did a circus theme Oh, flip.

44:26That's your name all over it. I would be surprised if they don't do that eventually. That'd be really cool. Yeah, you got to bring you got to bring your little doll there. He's got to be there. But I do like seeing the people too. Very much so. And just the creativity that you see there. But you also see people from like there's a pack of women from Australia that come every year. There's people from Japan and Spain, from all over the world. So, you get to meet really interesting people. And um there's people that will show up at the hotel that aren't even attending convention just to look try to get in. Well, that but you you're allowed to go walk around the room sales and stuff like that. I don't know if that's official or not, but it happens. Um and you can get just as much culture and community just from doing that. Is there a room or a miniature or some type of furniture that you guys haven't made yet, but you want to someday? Maybe it's something big or something complicated that's like kind of on your grail item to make. There is. There's a lot. [laughter] I don't want to tell everybody and spoil the surprise. That's fair. That's fair. I don't know if we can have a Barbie talk exclusive, like maybe one thing. Um I I was thinking the other day, I was just kind of brainstorming the other day and I was thinking, you know, the saw the lady in half chest that magicians use. I think it's kind of cool to do that with a Barbie doll, you know?

45:43This is getting cut. Why don't Why don't you like that, Debbie? I think that's ridiculous. Nobody's going to want to cut a Barbie in half. I mean, unless they're into magic, I guess. True, right? But I don't think many Barbie collectors are going to be like, "Oh, I need that. [laughter] It's creative. It's different." It's definitely different. Yeah, we definitely find inspiration from all around. Like, actually, I've got one right here. Every grandma has a ceramic Christmas tree sitting on their table. And this is like a little and we made it so you can put like a little balloon light in there and make it light up. So, oh, and then we we actually glue in the little lights and everything. And this has been quite popular. But this is a great example of uh us going to convention and getting inspiration from everyday people. Like we had those and some lady came in and she was like looking at stuff and I pointed out the Christmas trees and she's like that's great but what about a manora? And I was like, I never thought about that. So yeah, we started designing manuras and I picked her brain because I knew nothing about manoras and uh I was like, is it okay we do this? Can I make it hot pink? Would that be insulting? You know, and stuff like that. But uh she was fantastic and uh Eva, hey Eva, if you're watching this.

46:58Um hopefully it's a great idea because we love hearing ideas. So if you guys have ideas, hit us up. Yeah, that's very encouraging. If anybody has any ideas and and sometimes there's things we don't think of. The possibilities are endless, you know, like even the cutting the lady in the box. Even that I feel like that could fall under that circus theme, right? That's [laughter] how often are you guys disagreeing on things? I don't know. We I kind of like [laughter] shut his ideas down a lot sometimes just because it's not something that I want. I always just think about like if I want it, I feel like the rest of Barbie land wants it. A lot of times I'll shoot ideas to Mike and be like, "What do you think about this?" And be like, "Oh my god, yes, you have to make that." or he'll send us idea like, "Hey, can you guys put this on your to-do list?" Yeah. Well, like I said before, we're both creative, so we're used to giving each other creative criticism and stuff like that. Um, and I I definitely let her choose the fashion side of it and like the design, the lines and stuff. And I'm more of the technical side. Like there's things in this table here that, you know, only if I was talking to another 3D printer, you'd really realize what's going on with this. But this definitely went through a bunch of different iterations. So, like I do more like the math side of it and like um we actually started this this year where we're gonna put our logo on our pieces. You have to put a logo. That's genius. I know, right? You have to

48:19put a logo. We weren't doing that before and we were like, why are we not doing this? Yes. There's two types of 3D printing basically. There's resin and there's filament. Resin is liquid plastic and that's cured with UV light and that's used for like making like little miniatures or like fine details like if you want like something that's wearing like cloth or something like that for like gaming miniatures. But this is filament. Think of it like it's like plastic going through a hot glue gun type thing and it just goes and goes and goes and builds things up. So we used to do a lot of resin printing but we've moved on to filament because the technology has really ramped up to the point where we're getting the quality that we like. Yeah. Yeah. And we wanted bigger pieces, which I guess you can do with resin, but it's a lot easier with filament. Yeah. I'm learning a lot about 3D printing, that's for sure. I'm assuming it's a big It takes up a lot of space, is it not? Is it not huge? Yeah. And that's the thing. I mean, 3D printing is almost akin to Barbies. Like, if you get one in the house, you're going to get end up with like 28 more. Cuz we started out with one little printer that I was playing around with to make board game miniatures, actually. And then I got another printer and then another printer. And now, now we have four printers going pretty much all the time. Yeah, we technically have seven printers, but four of them we've got a big wall unit where they're all living and they all have different names and stuff and uh yeah, they're little workh horses. Are they paying rent? [laughter]

49:41They kind of are actually. Yeah, I guess so. I guess so. If Mattel were to approach you guys tomorrow and say, "Hey, we want to repro a playset or a doll or both." What would you suggest that they repro? Let's say the second dream house. The second dream house. Yes. Not the cardboard one that came with like the door and the windows in the front. It's the second one that it's more modular and it has like a living room with like a curtain scene. It has a kitchen and it's all like more modular. I don't know how to describe it. It's like different piece. I don't have it. Do you happen to know the year? It must have been in the 60s sometime because it was before mod. It's hard to find. Like it's really hard to find. I would love to get one. I look every year at convention.

50:27I have not seen one. What about a doll? What doll would you like to see? A reproduction doll. Yeah. Um I would like to see them do a really good swirl. They have done a a couple of good swirls, I guess. I'm trying to think of something they haven't done, but they've pretty much done maybe a standard Barbie. I don't think they've done that. Um you know, the mod standard Barbie without the eyelashes. Um, that would be a pretty doll for them to redo. And if Mattel's watching, if they need any 3D printing, you know, done for their [laughter] businesses, you know, flipping up. Yeah, exactly. Okay, so I'm going to show you cuz you were asking about the side part bubbles. I'll show you one. Um, this is a side part bubble and she's really pretty. So, you can see the hair.

51:14It's thatched. So, one piece goes this way, the other piece goes that way. And that's how you can tell that it's a side part. Um, you can style your other bubble cuts. They look very similar to side parts, but without the thatching, then it's not truly a side part. I sent her to Angie Pandy Paints. I don't know if you know her. She had pretty good makeup, but I wanted it a little bit brighter, so she redid her for me. Um, and I just think she's stunning. And that dress is adorable. Yes, this is a Mike Dawson dress. Mike Dawson design. Oh my god, Mike, you should have just been on this episode. Jesus. Right. [laughter] Do you have a recent purchase that you made? Yes, that's the one I was going to show you. Um, so like I said, I love American Girls. Um, I walked into the doll show and this lady had this doll on her table and she was asking about half of what it would cost at convention. And then she was like, "Well, I could probably do better."

52:11And I was like, "No, I'll pay you the full price [laughter] that she was asking because it's still a very good deal for me." She needs a bath, but that'll be after convention. I can't believe she's showing up on camera like this. How? But yeah, she's a long American girl. She's so pretty. So pretty. That's kind of where it all started, right? Like, so for me, I was collecting a little bit of everything when I first started collecting. I had, you know, modern dolls. I had dolls of the world, you know, like just different dolls like Barbie as Snow White or like um the Be Witch dolls, just stuff that I liked. And then the Silk Stones came out and I went crazy. Like I bought every single Silk Stone that I could get my hands on. As soon as they came out, I was like one of those people on the phone with FO shorts trying to get the exclusives. Um and that's when I started liking vintage because the Silkston have that vintage face sculpt. From there, I just like went from silk stone to vintage. I still have a lot of silk stones, but not as many as I did. Um because I'd rather spend my money on vintage. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I'm starting to think like maybe that's where I started to be like I need some more vintage dolls cuz those silk stones were beautiful. I have a few. I've parted with a few unfortunately, but like I do still have a few like the secretary, Highland Fling. I love Highland Fling. Actually, you kind of look like Highland Fling with your hair. I look like Highland Fling, but I wish I look like Highland Fling. Oh my

53:35gosh. I think so. Cuz you got that, you know, the streaks in your hair and it looks like hers. I got to tell you, one of the favorite purchases like that's Barbie related. Can't really show it on here, but we went to an antique store um somewhere in Massachusetts. You know, View Masters, the little things where you put the reels in and they had one of those in there. It was vintage and it had the Barbie real view master in there and it had a little booklet in it with a story that you could read as you're doing through it. It was from the '60s and these diuramas they set up for this view master were amazing. the and the overarching story was Barbie did a drawing contest at her high school and she won a trip around the world and it shows her bursting through her living room door and her dad sitting there with a pipe in his mouth and you know it's like I won I won and we brought it to our Barbie club and we sat there and read the book out loud and passed it around so people could see all the pictures but the work that they put into those diaramas back then was amazing.

54:37Yeah, they did. Yeah, there's a lot of things that they did back then that they just don't do and like that anymore with anything material materials. Mhm. Plastics, quality, you know, those things. Do you happen to have an item there that you would consider one of your grails? Yes. So, when Flip and I got married, we eloped and he never really proposed. I didn't have a diamond ring. And on my 10 year anniversary, he was like, "I think we should buy you a diamond ring for your anniversary present." I was like, I don't want a stupid diamond ring. She always said that like if we had simple silver bands that we both had, she always says, I don't need a diamond ring. That's just silly. You don't need to waste that kind of money on me. But I was like, I would like a side part American girl. So, he came with me to the 50th anniversary convention in DC, and I got to pick out the doll, which I call my diamond ring Barbie now. But she is um mitten in box. Well, maybe not mitten in box, but she's inbox. She still has her stand and her shoes are back there all wrapped up. I have slipped her out a couple of times [laughter] cuz she comes out pretty easily.

55:50Like you just slide her arm up and she'll come right out of the box. So I can like dress her, but I'm very protective of her and mostly leave her in the box. But isn't she pretty? She's stunning. And like let's see this box, too. Like this is like the original box. Yeah. So this is the American Girl box. Oh my god. And like it has the graphics on the sides with all like the wonderful outfits, the vintage outfits. Oh. Um, and I always wanted a side part and they're really expensive and hard to get, but yeah, she's my diamond ring Barbie. I like that you call her a diamond ring Barbie. There's probably a lot of women who, if they're watching this, if if they're not a collector, they won't understand. Diamonds are not always a girl's best friend. Sometimes Barbie is a girl, right? Yeah. I mean, I can understand. What are you going to do with a ring versus like a Barbie, right? Like, come on. I mean, I was Yeah, very true. Very true. And she's very loved. And we were at the was our 10th anniversary actually and we were there at the convention and of course there's news crews there and there there was once standing nearby when we were buying the doll and they they somehow they heard that that's what was going on like I was buying this diamond ring Barbie for our anniversary and of course they swooped in and we were on the news that night and stuff. But yeah, also something I think we should mention. proud de boxers here. Like we'll open up stuff like

57:10she's bought fashion kits from the 60s and stuff and that has been sealed and we'll open stuff. So cuz these things are meant to be enjoyed. We talk about this a lot on the show and Beth is a big advocate too for there's no right way to collect. If you said this to me 20 years ago that you opened a vintage, I'd be like, "Oh my god, why?" But there's no wrong way. And if that's the way you collect, there should be no judgment. We all collect the way we want to collect. I have always been a box collector. I'm starting to open now. It's, you know, sometimes a little difficult, but I'm noticing that things in a box, they start to disintegrate. It's not good for the plastic. It's not good for it. So, there's some that like I love the box. I want to keep it in a box. And, you know, the rest of it, it's was meant for a child to enjoy, and now our inner child is enjoying it, right? So, I'm assuming then that for your 10th wedding anniversary, Debbie, you obviously bought Flip an Optimus Prime. [laughter] Is that what happened? Actually, my favorite transformer is Springer. He's a triple changer. And yes, she did buy me a mint springer one year for Very nice. It was beautiful. It was wonderful. Very nice. [laughter] Thank you both so much for joining me today on Barbie Talk and sharing your creativity, your collection, the teamwork that you guys share, the imagination behind Flip and Debbie Create. It's so inspiring

58:31to see how much artistry and passion goes into the stuff that you do. Like the the tiniest little details that you guys, you know, put together in your work. Even those tiny things, it sparks a lot of joy for collectors and it's been so joyful for me to just be in your aura and looking at all the things that you guys have created together. Um, your work truly reminds us that Barbie's about storytelling and bringing imagination to life. So, thank you so much for being on Barbie Talk. Thank you, Kelly. It was really, really fun. Thank you. right back at you. You know, you're shining a light on the fantastic community. So, we really appreciate that, too. Oh, thank you so much, guys. This is why I do it, right? Is to meet people and learn and share all of that with all the Barbie lovers around the world, right? So, all right, guys. Thank you so much. Bye bye. It's amazing how one doll can make even the smallest details [music] feel magical. Make sure to like, subscribe, and hit that notification bell if you love all things Barbie. And if you enjoyed this episode, [music] click here to see one of my other episodes. Thanks for watching.